Discussion:
USS LIBERTY MASSACRE
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amigocabal
2004-02-10 02:10:00 UTC
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ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE THAN
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!

LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to conclude
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact that
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and jammed
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the intended
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
Sheldon Liberman
2004-02-10 04:33:21 UTC
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Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE THAN
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to conclude
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact that
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and jammed
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the intended
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
amigocabal
2004-02-11 03:50:14 UTC
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Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE THAN
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to conclude
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact that
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and jammed
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the intended
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
hardly a conspiracy 130 sialors lived to tell the story of the Israeli
massacring their fellow American sailors in cold blood! where is the
conspiracy in this?
Sheldon Liberman
2004-02-11 04:41:05 UTC
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Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE
THAN
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to
conclude
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact
that
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and
jammed
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the
intended
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
hardly a conspiracy 130 sialors lived to tell the story of the Israeli
massacring their fellow American sailors in cold blood! where is the
conspiracy in this?
Where's the cold blood? It was investigated and concluded an accident.
Funny how all these Jew-haters can't accept it so they'll grasp at any
straw that suggests otherwise. The very fact that you believe it to be
false is the best evidence that it's true.
not_over_the_hill
2004-02-11 22:00:24 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:41:05 -0500, Sheldon Liberman
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE
THAN
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to
conclude
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact
that
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and
jammed
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the
intended
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
hardly a conspiracy 130 sialors lived to tell the story of the Israeli
massacring their fellow American sailors in cold blood! where is the
conspiracy in this?
Where's the cold blood? It was investigated and concluded an accident.
Funny how all these Jew-haters can't accept it so they'll grasp at any
straw that suggests otherwise. The very fact that you believe it to be
false is the best evidence that it's true.
Hmmm... JFK was investigated to, huh?

Talk to the sailors..... many are still alive.
Why would they lie?
Are they all just a bunch of anti-semites?
Sheldon Liberman
2004-02-11 23:05:08 UTC
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Post by not_over_the_hill
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:41:05 -0500, Sheldon Liberman
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE
THAN
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to
conclude
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact
that
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and
jammed
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the
intended
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
hardly a conspiracy 130 sialors lived to tell the story of the Israeli
massacring their fellow American sailors in cold blood! where is the
conspiracy in this?
Where's the cold blood? It was investigated and concluded an accident.
Funny how all these Jew-haters can't accept it so they'll grasp at any
straw that suggests otherwise. The very fact that you believe it to be
false is the best evidence that it's true.
Hmmm... JFK was investigated to, huh?
Talk to the sailors..... many are still alive.
Why would they lie?
Are they all just a bunch of anti-semites?
Why are they speaking now? Did the Saudis raise their offer for perjury?
amigocabal
2004-02-12 00:55:08 UTC
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Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by not_over_the_hill
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:41:05 -0500, Sheldon Liberman
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE
THAN
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to
conclude
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact
that
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and
jammed
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the
intended
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
hardly a conspiracy 130 sialors lived to tell the story of the Israeli
massacring their fellow American sailors in cold blood! where is the
conspiracy in this?
Where's the cold blood? It was investigated and concluded an accident.
Funny how all these Jew-haters can't accept it so they'll grasp at any
straw that suggests otherwise. The very fact that you believe it to be
false is the best evidence that it's true.
Hmmm... JFK was investigated to, huh?
Talk to the sailors..... many are still alive.
Why would they lie?
Are they all just a bunch of anti-semites?
Why are they speaking now? Did the Saudis raise their offer for perjury?
They have been speaking all along! All their pleas were on deaf ears. Pro
Zionist adminstartions have simply refused to condemn the action of the
Fascist state of Israel. Number of books have been written by the survivors,
and Captain McGonigle begged Clinton to reopen the inquiest on his deathbed.
There is little doubt that Zionists run Jewnited States of America, and as
long as they do they will also administer justice!
amigocabal
2004-02-12 01:47:42 UTC
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Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE
THAN
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to
conclude
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact
that
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and
jammed
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the
intended
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
hardly a conspiracy 130 sialors lived to tell the story of the Israeli
massacring their fellow American sailors in cold blood! where is the
conspiracy in this?
Where's the cold blood? It was investigated and concluded an accident.
Funny how all these Jew-haters can't accept it so they'll grasp at any
straw that suggests otherwise. The very fact that you believe it to be
false is the best evidence that it's true.
Suuuure! So was JFK's killing "investigated" For those who know
Manlicher-Carcano rifles. know full well that Oswald is completely innocent!
jews killed him also, because he wanted to put the stop to their nukes!
nameless
2004-02-12 03:15:45 UTC
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Amigodope, did the Jews kill Cock Robin as well?
Foolish troll.
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE
THAN
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST
UNITED
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to
conclude
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact
that
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and
jammed
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for
help,
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the
intended
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
hardly a conspiracy 130 sialors lived to tell the story of the Israeli
massacring their fellow American sailors in cold blood! where is the
conspiracy in this?
Where's the cold blood? It was investigated and concluded an accident.
Funny how all these Jew-haters can't accept it so they'll grasp at any
straw that suggests otherwise. The very fact that you believe it to be
false is the best evidence that it's true.
Suuuure! So was JFK's killing "investigated" For those who know
Manlicher-Carcano rifles. know full well that Oswald is completely innocent!
jews killed him also, because he wanted to put the stop to their nukes!
amigocabal
2004-02-12 13:37:46 UTC
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Post by nameless
Amigodope, did the Jews kill Cock Robin as well?
No but they did kill JFK's assassin so he could not testify! And they did
murder 37 US sailors of the Liberty!
Post by nameless
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED
MORE
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
THAN
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST
UNITED
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to
conclude
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the
fact
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
that
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and
jammed
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for
help,
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the
intended
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
hardly a conspiracy 130 sialors lived to tell the story of the Israeli
massacring their fellow American sailors in cold blood! where is the
conspiracy in this?
Where's the cold blood? It was investigated and concluded an accident.
Funny how all these Jew-haters can't accept it so they'll grasp at any
straw that suggests otherwise. The very fact that you believe it to be
false is the best evidence that it's true.
Suuuure! So was JFK's killing "investigated" For those who know
Manlicher-Carcano rifles. know full well that Oswald is completely
innocent!
Post by amigocabal
jews killed him also, because he wanted to put the stop to their nukes!
not_over_the_hill
2004-02-11 21:59:10 UTC
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 03:50:14 GMT, "amigocabal"
Post by amigocabal
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE
THAN
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to
conclude
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact
that
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and
jammed
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the
intended
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
hardly a conspiracy 130 sialors lived to tell the story of the Israeli
massacring their fellow American sailors in cold blood! where is the
conspiracy in this?
Same old line..... "they're all lying about us".

They're all.... "anti-semites"
Theodore Herzl
2004-02-11 21:56:59 UTC
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Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE THAN
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to conclude
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact that
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and jammed
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the intended
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
With all the people who were actually involved in previous
investigation now coming forward with evidence of a cover-up at the
highest level, the conspiracy is not a theory, but very factual
indeed. Of course, those trying to hide the conspiracy from the
public will surely try to prevent a new investigation to protect
themselves from prosecution and possible prison, but we must ignore
the cries of the criminals and proceed with a new investigation.
There is well over the preponderance of evidence needed to file, and
likely win, a civil lawsuit against Israel for the crime they
committed against the United States. With the new evidence of a
conspiracy, it should not be hard to argue that any agreement made by
the parties to the conspiracy would be void and permit a new civil
case for damages to proceed.

In the civil case, you would only need a preponderance of evidence to
prove Israel's guilt and would certainly bring the issue into the
radar of mainstream Americans.
Sheldon Liberman
2004-02-11 23:09:58 UTC
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Post by Theodore Herzl
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE THAN
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to conclude
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact that
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and jammed
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the intended
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
With all the people who were actually involved in previous
investigation now coming forward with evidence of a cover-up at the
highest level, the conspiracy is not a theory, but very factual
indeed. Of course, those trying to hide the conspiracy from the
public will surely try to prevent a new investigation to protect
themselves from prosecution and possible prison, but we must ignore
the cries of the criminals and proceed with a new investigation.
There is well over the preponderance of evidence needed to file, and
likely win, a civil lawsuit against Israel for the crime they
committed against the United States. With the new evidence of a
conspiracy, it should not be hard to argue that any agreement made by
the parties to the conspiracy would be void and permit a new civil
case for damages to proceed.
In the civil case, you would only need a preponderance of evidence to
prove Israel's guilt and would certainly bring the issue into the
radar of mainstream Americans.
Fine. Come back when that happens. Until then, may I offer some
suggestions as to where you can shove...er.."put"...your conspiracy notions?
little_people
2004-02-12 06:42:54 UTC
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Theodore Herzl says...
With all the people who were actually involved in previous
investigation now coming forward with evidence of a cover-up at the
highest level, the conspiracy is not a theory, but very factual
indeed.
That's NOT what's been happening.
Of course, those trying to hide the conspiracy from the
public will surely try to prevent a new investigation to protect
themselves from prosecution and possible prison, but we must ignore
the cries of the criminals and proceed with a new investigation.
The matter has already been gone over ad infititum. There's nothing left to
"investigate".
There is well over the preponderance of evidence needed to file, and
likely win, a civil lawsuit against Israel for the crime they
committed against the United States.
As a matter of fact, there isn't a *shred*. Nothing that would ever be accepted
in any court, anyway. Just a lot of tall tales and myths.
With the new evidence of a
conspiracy, it should not be hard to argue that any agreement made by
the parties to the conspiracy would be void and permit a new civil
case for damages to proceed.
Never gonna happen.
In the civil case, you would only need a preponderance of evidence to
prove Israel's guilt and would certainly bring the issue into the
radar of mainstream Americans.
Unfortunately for the kooks, everything that comes to light reinforces what was
found by the Navy Court long ago.
amigocabal
2004-02-12 13:40:19 UTC
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Post by little_people
Theodore Herzl says...
With all the people who were actually involved in previous
investigation now coming forward with evidence of a cover-up at the
highest level, the conspiracy is not a theory, but very factual
indeed.
That's NOT what's been happening.
Of course, those trying to hide the conspiracy from the
public will surely try to prevent a new investigation to protect
themselves from prosecution and possible prison, but we must ignore
the cries of the criminals and proceed with a new investigation.
The matter has already been gone over ad infititum. There's nothing left to
"investigate".
There is well over the preponderance of evidence needed to file, and
likely win, a civil lawsuit against Israel for the crime they
committed against the United States.
As a matter of fact, there isn't a *shred*. Nothing that would ever be accepted
in any court, anyway. Just a lot of tall tales and myths.
With the new evidence of a
conspiracy, it should not be hard to argue that any agreement made by
the parties to the conspiracy would be void and permit a new civil
case for damages to proceed.
Never gonna happen.
In the civil case, you would only need a preponderance of evidence to
prove Israel's guilt and would certainly bring the issue into the
radar of mainstream Americans.
Unfortunately for the kooks, everything that comes to light reinforces what was
found by the Navy Court long ago.
"Navy Court"? What are blubbering about imbecile?
Massacre of this magnitude should be investigated by an impartial inquest
which never took place, because LBJ was an arse licking Jew!
not_over_the_hill
2004-02-12 13:58:21 UTC
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 06:42:54 GMT, little_people
Post by little_people
Theodore Herzl says...
With all the people who were actually involved in previous
investigation now coming forward with evidence of a cover-up at the
highest level, the conspiracy is not a theory, but very factual
indeed.
That's NOT what's been happening.
Of course, those trying to hide the conspiracy from the
public will surely try to prevent a new investigation to protect
themselves from prosecution and possible prison, but we must ignore
the cries of the criminals and proceed with a new investigation.
The matter has already been gone over ad infititum. There's nothing left to
"investigate".
There is well over the preponderance of evidence needed to file, and
likely win, a civil lawsuit against Israel for the crime they
committed against the United States.
As a matter of fact, there isn't a *shred*. Nothing that would ever be accepted
in any court, anyway. Just a lot of tall tales and myths.
With the new evidence of a
conspiracy, it should not be hard to argue that any agreement made by
the parties to the conspiracy would be void and permit a new civil
case for damages to proceed.
Never gonna happen.
In the civil case, you would only need a preponderance of evidence to
prove Israel's guilt and would certainly bring the issue into the
radar of mainstream Americans.
Unfortunately for the kooks, everything that comes to light reinforces what was
found by the Navy Court long ago.
YOU NEED TO GO FACE-TO-FACE AND TALK TO THOSE KOOKS!!

Liberty deniers continue to insist that, despite all the evidence, the
attack on our ship must have been a mistake. "Israel would not do such
a thing to its best friend," they insist. They persist in presenting
silly arguments such as "poor memory," "fog of war," and "transmitters
were 1KC off frequency for a few seconds." No serious researcher to
our knowledge has ever bought into those stories, yet they persist.

Recent claims by Liberty deniers, however, has brought a number of
insiders out of the closet. Several were revealed in the June 2003
issue of Naval Institute Proceedings, which brought supporting
statements from such senior intelligence authorities as Oliver Kirby,
Admiral Bobby Inman, former CIA Director Richard Helms, General John
Morrison and many others of unimpeachable stature. Yet the deniers
continue to deny reality.

We have known for years that communications between the attacking
Israeli jets and their headquarters were intercepted as the aircraft
approached our ship. The Israeli pilots were clearly told by their
controllers to find and quickly sink "the American ship" which was USS
Liberty. Those communications were almost simultaneously translated
and broadcast from a US Air Force C130 near the scene to an
intelligence site at Crete where they were sent to Washington and to
other stations as "Critical Intelligence," the fastest and most secure
means available. Known as CRITICs, these reports routinely arrived in
the White House, State Department and Pentagon within ten minutes or
less.

Thus Liberty's attackers were caught in the act and their treachery
was known to the highest levels of the US government even before the
attack was completed.

Now, thirty-six years later, people who saw those reports as they
occurred find that they can remain silent no longer.

Presented here is the first of several such reports to come. This one,
from former Air Force intelligence analyst Stephen Forslund, is
presented in his own words.

http://www.ussliberty.org/forslund.htm

For many years I have periodically been reminded of those days in June
1967 that had such an impact on me as a young man. It has been
frustrating that, for all that time, I have had to stifle the shout I
wanted to make over the injustice that was committed.

I finally feel the overwhelming compulsion to say something about what
I witnessed. I do so with fear and discomfort because of the oath of
secrecy we all took and the uncertainty over the legality of speaking
out. What motivates me to speak is the fact that nothing I can add
will harm our nation or compromise our intelligence sources at this
late date. I can be written off as a liar or "conspiracy weirdo" or
prosecuted if they want to admit that what I say is true.

Much discussion has gone on about what the NSA archives hold about the
Liberty attack. The latest I read, stated that the only and final
"tapes" that the NSA has released show that helicopters sent by Israel
to the site of the attack on the Liberty, after the attack, were
unaware of her nationality. Much importance is put on this issue by
different factions in this debate. Parties state that these are the
only tapes of intercepts that exist. That may very well be true, now.
Nothing I can say will change anyone's mind but I have to state, for
my own peace of mind, what I witnessed as an all source intelligence
analyst for the U.S. Air Force during the 6 day war.

There were other intercepts, and I and many others like me, read
transcripts of the air-to-air and air-to-ground communications of the
fighters who attacked the USS Liberty. We read these in real time
during the day the attack occurred. These intercepts were preceded by
many others we read that week that started with the opening attack by
Israel in the war and included intercepts of messages between the USA
and Israel in which our government stated their knowledge of the
Israeli's pre-emptive attack that began the war and warned Israel to
cease their activities.

On the day of the attack on the Liberty, I read yellow teletype sheets
that spewed from the machines in front of me all day. We obtained our
input from a variety of sources including the NSA. The teletypes were
raw translations of intercepts of Israeli air-to-air and air-to-ground
communications between jet aircraft and their ground controller. I
read page after page of these transcripts that day as it went on and
on. The transcripts made specific reference to the efforts to direct
the jets to the target which was identified as American numerous times
by the ground controller. Upon arrival, the aircraft specifically
identified the target and mentioned the American flag she was flying.
There were frequent operational transmissions from the pilots to the
ground base describing the strafing runs. The ground control began
asking about the status of the target and whether it was sinking. They
stressed that the target must be sunk and leave no trace. The pilots
stated they had made several runs and the target was still floating.
The ground control station re-iterated that it was urgent that the
target be sunk, leaving no trace. There was a detectable level of
frustration evident in the transmissions over the fact that the
aircraft were unable to accomplish the mission quickly and totally.

The aircraft eventually broke off and we received no further
transcripts of the event. I have since learned in later descriptions
of the attack that torpedo boats attacked the Liberty also. I saw
neither intercepts nor analyses that addressed that attack. An hour or
two later I was discussing the event with a team member and he stated
they had received, during the time frame of the attack, an intercept
of a US State Department message to Israel stating that the United
States had full evidence of what had occurred in the attack on the
Liberty and strongly warning Israel to cease activities immediately.

Imagine my surprise when, upon going home that night, I was watching
the evening news and a short piece that gave vague reference to a
mistaken attack by Israel upon an American ship off Sinai came on. The
next day there was a small article buried in the A section of the
paper stating that there had been an accidental attack on the USS
Liberty and that the governments involved were in discussions. I saw
little mention after that in the popular press and, of course, said
nothing for the next 36 years.

I read these discussions debating whether Israel intentionally
attacked the USS Liberty and what their motivation would have been for
a deliberate attack. I can't debate their motivation. But, I will
carry the memory of those transcripts with me until I die. We all lost
our virginity that day.

Steve Forslund ***@comcast.net



And here, a statement from former Air Force analyst James Ronald
Gotcher, who saw the same intercepts at an Air Force intelligence
station in Vietnam.

DECLARATION OF JAMES RONALD GOTCHER

I, JAMES RONALD GOTCHER, DO DECLARE UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT THE
FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS TRUE AND COMPLETE, AND BASED ENTIRELY UPON MY
PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE GAINED THROUGH DIRECT OBSERVATON, UNLESS
SPECIFICALLY STATED OTHERWISE:

1. My true, full, and correct name is James Ronald Gotcher, III.

2. I am a resident of the State of California.

3. On June 8, 1967, I was a Sergeant in the United States Air Force,
assigned to the 6924th Security Squadron, Da Nang, Republic of
Vietnam.

4. During the early evening (local time) of June 8, 1967 we received a
CRITIC message, informing us that USS Liberty was under attack by
Israeli aircraft. Shortly thereafter, we began receiving rough
translations of the Israeli air to air and air to ground
communications.

5. The next day, we received the final translations of the intercepts.
There will virtually no difference between the two versions.

6. While I have a clear recollection of reading transcripts of
conversations between pilots and controllers, I do not recall ever
reading anything similar to the transcripts recently released by the
National Security Agency concerning Israeli helicopter pilots.

7. It was clear from the explicit statements made by both the aircraft
crews and the controllers that the aircraft were flying a planned
mission to find and sink USS Liberty.

8. My understanding of what I read led me to conclude that the Israeli
pilots were making every effort possible to sink USS Liberty and were
very frustrated by their inability to do so.

9. Approximately ten days to two weeks later, we received an internal
NSA report, summarizing the Agency's findings. The report stated, in
no uncertain terms, that the attack was planned in advance and
deliberately executed. The mission was to sink USS Liberty.

10. A few days after the report arrived, another message came through
directing the document control officer to gather and destroy all
copies of both the rough and final intercept translations, as well as
the subsequently issued report.

11. After the destruction of those documents, I saw nothing further on
this subject.

12. I have read the translated transcripts, released by the Israeli
government, which purport to be actual transcripts of the air to
ground communications between the controllers and the attacking
aircraft. I know this document to be a fabrication because I have read
the actual intercepts and they were nothing like this. It is not
possible that the differences could be due to different translations
being used.

13. If called upon to testify, I am competent to testify to all of the
foregoing on the basis of direct observation and personal knowledge.

Dated: September 2, 2003

Click here for signed statement in PDF format.
http://www.ussliberty.org/jrgstmt.pdf


Meanwhile, statements are being prepared from others who saw the same
reports. Those will soon be presented in these spaces.

Stay tuned!
Mike Weeks
2004-02-12 22:16:44 UTC
Permalink
Date: 2/12/2004 05:58 Pacific Standard Time
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 06:42:54 GMT, little_people
<...>
Post by little_people
Unfortunately for the kooks, everything that comes to light reinforces what
was
Post by little_people
found by the Navy Court long ago.
YOU NEED TO GO FACE-TO-FACE AND TALK TO THOSE KOOKS!!
That's done almost daily on the net -- the tall tales and sea stories just get
more crazy however.

Like for example when this poster just copies and pastes something from another
Liberty deniers continue to insist that, despite all the evidence, ...
"despite ALL the evidence ..."???

What a joke from the conspiracy crowd. Ever wonder why the conspiracy crowd
web sites don't have the quote from CIA Director Stansfield Turner as only one
example?

It doesn't get any simpler then this; there's evidence that the attack was a
mistake and there's NO evidence that the attack was a malicious, intentional
attack on a ship known to be the USS Liberty or even US.

However for the more extreme loons they'll continue to bay at the moon no
matter the lack of evidence ...

MW
-------------------------------------
"All actions in war will be based on incomplete, inaccurate, or even
contradictory information." -- HQUSMC, Warfighting(MCDP-1)
r***@bellsouth.net
2004-02-12 22:21:55 UTC
Permalink
ROFLOL
you are a fool
--
"I have seen the worst that man can do.and I can still laugh loudly"
R.J. Goldman

http://www.usidfvets.com
Post by not_over_the_hill
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 06:42:54 GMT, little_people
Post by little_people
Theodore Herzl says...
With all the people who were actually involved in previous
investigation now coming forward with evidence of a cover-up at the
highest level, the conspiracy is not a theory, but very factual
indeed.
That's NOT what's been happening.
Of course, those trying to hide the conspiracy from the
public will surely try to prevent a new investigation to protect
themselves from prosecution and possible prison, but we must ignore
the cries of the criminals and proceed with a new investigation.
The matter has already been gone over ad infititum. There's nothing left to
"investigate".
There is well over the preponderance of evidence needed to file, and
likely win, a civil lawsuit against Israel for the crime they
committed against the United States.
As a matter of fact, there isn't a *shred*. Nothing that would ever be accepted
in any court, anyway. Just a lot of tall tales and myths.
With the new evidence of a
conspiracy, it should not be hard to argue that any agreement made by
the parties to the conspiracy would be void and permit a new civil
case for damages to proceed.
Never gonna happen.
In the civil case, you would only need a preponderance of evidence to
prove Israel's guilt and would certainly bring the issue into the
radar of mainstream Americans.
Unfortunately for the kooks, everything that comes to light reinforces what was
found by the Navy Court long ago.
YOU NEED TO GO FACE-TO-FACE AND TALK TO THOSE KOOKS!!
Liberty deniers continue to insist that, despite all the evidence, the
attack on our ship must have been a mistake. "Israel would not do such
a thing to its best friend," they insist. They persist in presenting
silly arguments such as "poor memory," "fog of war," and "transmitters
were 1KC off frequency for a few seconds." No serious researcher to
our knowledge has ever bought into those stories, yet they persist.
Recent claims by Liberty deniers, however, has brought a number of
insiders out of the closet. Several were revealed in the June 2003
issue of Naval Institute Proceedings, which brought supporting
statements from such senior intelligence authorities as Oliver Kirby,
Admiral Bobby Inman, former CIA Director Richard Helms, General John
Morrison and many others of unimpeachable stature. Yet the deniers
continue to deny reality.
We have known for years that communications between the attacking
Israeli jets and their headquarters were intercepted as the aircraft
approached our ship. The Israeli pilots were clearly told by their
controllers to find and quickly sink "the American ship" which was USS
Liberty. Those communications were almost simultaneously translated
and broadcast from a US Air Force C130 near the scene to an
intelligence site at Crete where they were sent to Washington and to
other stations as "Critical Intelligence," the fastest and most secure
means available. Known as CRITICs, these reports routinely arrived in
the White House, State Department and Pentagon within ten minutes or
less.
Thus Liberty's attackers were caught in the act and their treachery
was known to the highest levels of the US government even before the
attack was completed.
Now, thirty-six years later, people who saw those reports as they
occurred find that they can remain silent no longer.
Presented here is the first of several such reports to come. This one,
from former Air Force intelligence analyst Stephen Forslund, is
presented in his own words.
http://www.ussliberty.org/forslund.htm
For many years I have periodically been reminded of those days in June
1967 that had such an impact on me as a young man. It has been
frustrating that, for all that time, I have had to stifle the shout I
wanted to make over the injustice that was committed.
I finally feel the overwhelming compulsion to say something about what
I witnessed. I do so with fear and discomfort because of the oath of
secrecy we all took and the uncertainty over the legality of speaking
out. What motivates me to speak is the fact that nothing I can add
will harm our nation or compromise our intelligence sources at this
late date. I can be written off as a liar or "conspiracy weirdo" or
prosecuted if they want to admit that what I say is true.
Much discussion has gone on about what the NSA archives hold about the
Liberty attack. The latest I read, stated that the only and final
"tapes" that the NSA has released show that helicopters sent by Israel
to the site of the attack on the Liberty, after the attack, were
unaware of her nationality. Much importance is put on this issue by
different factions in this debate. Parties state that these are the
only tapes of intercepts that exist. That may very well be true, now.
Nothing I can say will change anyone's mind but I have to state, for
my own peace of mind, what I witnessed as an all source intelligence
analyst for the U.S. Air Force during the 6 day war.
There were other intercepts, and I and many others like me, read
transcripts of the air-to-air and air-to-ground communications of the
fighters who attacked the USS Liberty. We read these in real time
during the day the attack occurred. These intercepts were preceded by
many others we read that week that started with the opening attack by
Israel in the war and included intercepts of messages between the USA
and Israel in which our government stated their knowledge of the
Israeli's pre-emptive attack that began the war and warned Israel to
cease their activities.
On the day of the attack on the Liberty, I read yellow teletype sheets
that spewed from the machines in front of me all day. We obtained our
input from a variety of sources including the NSA. The teletypes were
raw translations of intercepts of Israeli air-to-air and air-to-ground
communications between jet aircraft and their ground controller. I
read page after page of these transcripts that day as it went on and
on. The transcripts made specific reference to the efforts to direct
the jets to the target which was identified as American numerous times
by the ground controller. Upon arrival, the aircraft specifically
identified the target and mentioned the American flag she was flying.
There were frequent operational transmissions from the pilots to the
ground base describing the strafing runs. The ground control began
asking about the status of the target and whether it was sinking. They
stressed that the target must be sunk and leave no trace. The pilots
stated they had made several runs and the target was still floating.
The ground control station re-iterated that it was urgent that the
target be sunk, leaving no trace. There was a detectable level of
frustration evident in the transmissions over the fact that the
aircraft were unable to accomplish the mission quickly and totally.
The aircraft eventually broke off and we received no further
transcripts of the event. I have since learned in later descriptions
of the attack that torpedo boats attacked the Liberty also. I saw
neither intercepts nor analyses that addressed that attack. An hour or
two later I was discussing the event with a team member and he stated
they had received, during the time frame of the attack, an intercept
of a US State Department message to Israel stating that the United
States had full evidence of what had occurred in the attack on the
Liberty and strongly warning Israel to cease activities immediately.
Imagine my surprise when, upon going home that night, I was watching
the evening news and a short piece that gave vague reference to a
mistaken attack by Israel upon an American ship off Sinai came on. The
next day there was a small article buried in the A section of the
paper stating that there had been an accidental attack on the USS
Liberty and that the governments involved were in discussions. I saw
little mention after that in the popular press and, of course, said
nothing for the next 36 years.
I read these discussions debating whether Israel intentionally
attacked the USS Liberty and what their motivation would have been for
a deliberate attack. I can't debate their motivation. But, I will
carry the memory of those transcripts with me until I die. We all lost
our virginity that day.
And here, a statement from former Air Force analyst James Ronald
Gotcher, who saw the same intercepts at an Air Force intelligence
station in Vietnam.
DECLARATION OF JAMES RONALD GOTCHER
I, JAMES RONALD GOTCHER, DO DECLARE UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT THE
FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS TRUE AND COMPLETE, AND BASED ENTIRELY UPON MY
PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE GAINED THROUGH DIRECT OBSERVATON, UNLESS
1. My true, full, and correct name is James Ronald Gotcher, III.
2. I am a resident of the State of California.
3. On June 8, 1967, I was a Sergeant in the United States Air Force,
assigned to the 6924th Security Squadron, Da Nang, Republic of
Vietnam.
4. During the early evening (local time) of June 8, 1967 we received a
CRITIC message, informing us that USS Liberty was under attack by
Israeli aircraft. Shortly thereafter, we began receiving rough
translations of the Israeli air to air and air to ground
communications.
5. The next day, we received the final translations of the intercepts.
There will virtually no difference between the two versions.
6. While I have a clear recollection of reading transcripts of
conversations between pilots and controllers, I do not recall ever
reading anything similar to the transcripts recently released by the
National Security Agency concerning Israeli helicopter pilots.
7. It was clear from the explicit statements made by both the aircraft
crews and the controllers that the aircraft were flying a planned
mission to find and sink USS Liberty.
8. My understanding of what I read led me to conclude that the Israeli
pilots were making every effort possible to sink USS Liberty and were
very frustrated by their inability to do so.
9. Approximately ten days to two weeks later, we received an internal
NSA report, summarizing the Agency's findings. The report stated, in
no uncertain terms, that the attack was planned in advance and
deliberately executed. The mission was to sink USS Liberty.
10. A few days after the report arrived, another message came through
directing the document control officer to gather and destroy all
copies of both the rough and final intercept translations, as well as
the subsequently issued report.
11. After the destruction of those documents, I saw nothing further on
this subject.
12. I have read the translated transcripts, released by the Israeli
government, which purport to be actual transcripts of the air to
ground communications between the controllers and the attacking
aircraft. I know this document to be a fabrication because I have read
the actual intercepts and they were nothing like this. It is not
possible that the differences could be due to different translations
being used.
13. If called upon to testify, I am competent to testify to all of the
foregoing on the basis of direct observation and personal knowledge.
Dated: September 2, 2003
Click here for signed statement in PDF format.
http://www.ussliberty.org/jrgstmt.pdf
Meanwhile, statements are being prepared from others who saw the same
reports. Those will soon be presented in these spaces.
Stay tuned!
little_people
2004-02-13 04:38:40 UTC
Permalink
not_over_the_hill says...
little_people wrote...
Unfortunately for the kooks, everything that comes to light reinforces
what was found by the Navy Court long ago.
YOU NEED TO GO FACE-TO-FACE AND TALK TO THOSE KOOKS!!
Liberty deniers continue to insist that, despite all the evidence, the
attack on our ship must have been a mistake. "Israel would not do such
a thing to its best friend," they insist. They persist in presenting
silly arguments such as "poor memory," "fog of war," and "transmitters
were 1KC off frequency for a few seconds."
No. They present sworn testimony from the crew to this effect.

http://www.ussliberty.org/nci.txt

[...from page 93...]

On that date at approximately 1400 local time, we had heard a loud blast. I was
in radio central at the time with my second class who was on watch at the time.
We immediately set Zulu and closed the porthole covers, and as soon as we had
gotten them closed, the second blast sounded and the word was passed on the 1MC
to pass over hicom that we were being attacked, to any station. I immediately
picked up the hicom transmitter which was on UIC 32, auxiliary radio. We
started to transmit with it. No station heard us, and five minutes or so later
the transmitter was reported to have blown out. I immediately
switched to a work two transmitter in the transmitter room, and we couldn't get
out on that either, so, in between attacks by this time, I had went down to
transmitter room and I found or discovered that somebody had accidentally
knocked the frequency dial one KC off. I corrected this and ran back to the
radio shack and we got hold of stations schematics on which we passed the attack
message.

[...end quoted material...]
No serious researcher to our knowledge has ever bought into those stories,
yet they persist.
In other words, you don't believe the sworn testimony of the crew.
Recent claims by Liberty deniers, however, has brought a number of
insiders out of the closet. Several were revealed in the June 2003
issue of Naval Institute Proceedings, which brought supporting
statements from such senior intelligence authorities as Oliver Kirby,
Admiral Bobby Inman, former CIA Director Richard Helms, General John
Morrison and many others of unimpeachable stature. Yet the deniers
continue to deny reality.
None of those mentioned above qualify as "insiders" with regard to the Liberty
incident. Most only give their own uninformed opinions on the matter.
We have known for years that communications between the attacking
Israeli jets and their headquarters were intercepted as the aircraft
approached our ship. The Israeli pilots were clearly told by their
controllers to find and quickly sink "the American ship" which was USS
Liberty.
Not according to the transcripts which have been made available.
Those communications were almost simultaneously translated
and broadcast from a US Air Force C130 near the scene to an
intelligence site at Crete where they were sent to Washington and to
other stations as "Critical Intelligence," the fastest and most secure
means available. Known as CRITICs, these reports routinely arrived in
the White House, State Department and Pentagon within ten minutes or
less.
Thus Liberty's attackers were caught in the act and their treachery
was known to the highest levels of the US government even before the
attack was completed.
Evidence of which has never been produced. Never.

Not ever.
Now, thirty-six years later, people who saw those reports as they
occurred find that they can remain silent no longer.
Presented here is the first of several such reports to come. This one,
from former Air Force intelligence analyst Stephen Forslund, is
presented in his own words.
http://www.ussliberty.org/forslund.htm
[...]
And here, a statement from former Air Force analyst James Ronald
Gotcher, who saw the same intercepts at an Air Force intelligence
station in Vietnam.
DECLARATION OF JAMES RONALD GOTCHER
[...]
Click here for signed statement in PDF format.
http://www.ussliberty.org/jrgstmt.pdf
Means less than nothing. Neither Gotcher nor Forslund can produce actual
transcripts of the conversations to which they attest, and so there exists no
evidence that their memories of what they supposedly saw/heard are accurrate
30-some-years after the fact. If they're so sure that these intercepts exist in
recorded form (as they purport), then why don't they file a formal request under
the FOIA for their release?

As a matter of fact, a well-know "Liberty denier" recently did just that.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/09/uss.liberty.tapes/index.html

[...start...]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Tapes released by the National Security Agency shed new
light on the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 Americans and
is one of the most controversial mysteries in U.S. Navy history.

The attack, which took place in international waters off the Sinai Peninsula on
June 8, 1967, during the Six Day War, also left 171 Americans injured.

The Israelis have always said the attack on the Liberty, which was monitoring
communications in the war, was a tragic accident.

But some survivors and senior U.S. officials at the time have said they believe
the attack was a deliberate effort to stop American surveillance of Israeli
activities during the conflict.

The NSA on Tuesday released audiotapes of Israeli pilots and ground control
speaking in Hebrew, along with English transcripts.

The recordings were made by a nearby American surveillance aircraft in the
immediate aftermath of the attack.

"For your info, it is apparently an Arab ship," says ground control.

"Roger," says the pilot.

"It is an Egyptian supply ship," says ground control.

"Roger," comes the response.

The NSA released the tapes and transcripts under the Freedom of Information Act
in response to a request from Miami Judge Jay Cristol.

[...end quoted...]

A link to the recordings:

http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/liberty.html

[...]
montgomery_scott
2004-02-15 19:49:46 UTC
Permalink
MIKE WEEKS, USS LIBERTY USS LIBERTY MURDERS ISRAEL AHRON JAY CRISTOL
A. JAY CRISTOL GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL GOI IDF THE LIBERTY INCIDENT
ASSAULT ON THE LIBERTY JIM ENNES JAMES ENNES JAMES A. ENNES JOE
MEADORS WAR CRIME stan engel shipfixr dn roberta hatch sheldon
lieberman little_people Ward Boston Admiral Thomas Moorer Robert
McNamara LBJ 30mm with proximity fusing 30mm cannon with
proximity fusing 30mm cannon shell with proximity fusing
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl70123069d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=1e6ea40d.0310150943.6c7fc8e4%40posting.google.com
"No idea, but a good point. Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to
tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys",
since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when
called upon his own "qualifications"."
Bwaaaaahaaa! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!!
C'mon mikey... tell an old scot your qualifications, laddie!
Theodore Herzl says...
With all the people who were actually involved in previous
investigation now coming forward with evidence of a cover-up at the
highest level, the conspiracy is not a theory, but very factual
indeed.
That's NOT what's been happening.
Of course, those trying to hide the conspiracy from the
public will surely try to prevent a new investigation to protect
themselves from prosecution and possible prison, but we must ignore
the cries of the criminals and proceed with a new investigation.
The matter has already been gone over ad infititum. There's nothing left to
"investigate".
There is well over the preponderance of evidence needed to file, and
likely win, a civil lawsuit against Israel for the crime they
committed against the United States.
As a matter of fact, there isn't a *shred*. Nothing that would ever be accepted
in any court, anyway. Just a lot of tall tales and myths.
With the new evidence of a
conspiracy, it should not be hard to argue that any agreement made by
the parties to the conspiracy would be void and permit a new civil
case for damages to proceed.
Never gonna happen.
In the civil case, you would only need a preponderance of evidence to
prove Israel's guilt and would certainly bring the issue into the
radar of mainstream Americans.
Unfortunately for the kooks, everything that comes to light reinforces what was
found by the Navy Court long ago.
Accchh! m'wee bairn... then why have you, SHIPFIXR, Mike Weeks,
Roberta Hatch all stepped up to challenge me and then have all
subsequently fled???

1)Do you want to pick matters up from where SHIPFIXR fled from the "30
mm with proximity fusing lie" and the entire first footnote to "The
Air and Sea Attack" chapter to Cristol's, "The Liberty Incident" ...

...when SHIPFIXR stuck his foot in the doggy doo-doo and realized he
was going to be stuck defending A. Jay Cristol's credibility???

2) or where you yourself, little_people, fled from me on the Zionist
news publication dealing with Yediot America calling an eyewitness to
MOSSAD agents celebrating the deaths ofthe 9/11 deaths of the men of
Ladder Company 6 and Ladder Company 3 as they were breathing their
last breaths of life on this planet and wondering how their families
would go on withou them?

or...

3) MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT MIKE WEEKS CAREER in the "Data Entry
Squadron" as an ...ahem... Navallll Aviatorrr

Bwaaaahaaa! LOL! ROTFLMAO!!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl70123069d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=1e6ea40d.0310150943.6c7fc8e4%40posting.google.com
"No idea, but a good point. Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to
tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys",
since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when
called upon his own "qualifications"."
Bwaaaaahaaa! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!!
C'mon mikey... tell an old scot your qualifications, laddie!
A) SHIPFXR RUNS AWAY HERE and craps his panties when he realizes he
..here, stevie... is where the demise of our Israeli "friends" comes
in when the communities demand the production of a "30mm cannon shell
with proximity fusing" with
Haven't you got a photon torpedo to overhaul or something?....go back to your
play-acting.
...and like the MOSSAD Agents... SHIPFIXR too must have "danced" at
the WTC Disaster AND
Do you have ANY idea what a reckless thing that is to say?? Have you NO shame
whatsoever? I'd like to see Gotcher or one of the LVA types remark on such a
statement from such a creep as yourself you sorry, pathetic, self delusional
insect.
.. comment on it, SHIPFIXR... i mean, y'had the stones t'say that
Larry Weaver had no balls...
I don't know about Larry Weaver....I'd sure love to have you repost such a
thing that you say I said
WHY M'WEE BAIRN... I did indeed post WHAT YOU yourself SAID and the
HYPERLINK..here it is again, laddie... you run away from the words
that you yourself have posted...


1)SHIPFIXR WROTE ABOUT USS LIBERTY SURVIVOR, LARRY WEAVER... who, as a
consequence of loyal service to the people of the United States, has
had 28 surgical operations necessitated by the murderous attack on the
USS Liberty of June 8,1967:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=19990515102717.23703.00000805%40ng-ci1.aol.com
Since you can't post for yourself, I have to think the " rocket and
cannon
fire to the human body!" must have shot your balls off also.....
Hell Weaver,
look at the bright side of it all......the attack gave you your
lifetime
profession: "SURVIVOR".
DN
and he ran away himself.... w'his crapped panties dropping cookies
alll along th'way... m'wee dung beetle, shipfixr...

..he can swagger aroond the newsgroup and this thread outfitted w'that
strap-on johnson o'roberta hatch's but...

...like mike weeks, and roberta hatch and stan engel...

... he ran away from his own words...

2)....AND NOW M'WEE BAIRNS Y'SEE HOW HE DIDNA' HAVE THE STONES
T'RESPOND TO A .JAY HOOEY'S CREDIBILITY WHEN SHIPFIXR GOT CAUGHT IN
HIS "MISREPRESENTATION"
you talked
about Cristol making a "minor mistake" when in fact he has been
1)he flew combat missions in the Far East and that...
2)he was a former Navy combat pilot and that he was a
3)Naval jet fighter pilot who served 18 years as a Naval aviator and
an
4)ex-Naval intelligence officer
when in fact...
he was a naval reservist who flew Turkey Props... the Navy's slowest
planes...
can you imagine him flying a Turkey Prop and doing this???
"...Because very little time remains after firing ceases until the
aircraft will fly into or strike a surface target, fighter and attack
pilots are told repeatedly to fire and pull up. Most pilots including
this author will confess that they have in fact delayed pull-up to
observe their hits. .."
Bwaahaaa! ROTFLMAO!!! LOL!!

A) This Korean "War Hero" was REALLY a Naval reservist flying Turkey
Props... the Navy's SLOWEST planes...he graduated from flight school
less than 90 days before the Armistice in Korea was signed. He never
flew from an aircraft carrier anywhere within striking distance of
Korea. His carrier pilot career was limited to training missions in
the South China Sea during peacetime...



3)so now...in the face of y'being presented w'your own hyperlinked
posts...AND THE DIRECT QUOTES of you yourself as you try to run away
from your own words....

we go BACK TO THE DANCING MOSSAD AGENTS IN FRONT OF THE WTC AS IT
BURNED on 9/11.... y'had the hyperlink, shipfixr... you've said Larry
Weaver must have had his balls shot off in the hyperlink above...
which catches you in your "lie"

so again... just like he laughed at glee with the 28 surgical
operations necessitated by Israel's murderous attack on the USS
Liberty... of a true US Nnaval hero who hasn't bullshitted about his
service record as SHIPFIXR ran away from commenting about how his
buddy,A. Jay Cristol is constantly bullshitting about HIS "Korean War
Hero" service record ...


Look at the MOSSAD Agents, Stevie Richter... see how quicked they
packed up
their bags and went back to Israel...

ALMOST AS QUICK AS SHIPFIXR CRAPPED HIS PANTS... D'YA THINK HE'LL
COMMENT ON THE MOSSAD AGENTS "CONDUCT"???

...and like the MOSSAD Agents... SHIPFIXR too must have "danced" at
the WTC Disaster AND found humor as the men of Ladder Company 6 and
Ladder Company 3 were breathing their last breaths of life on this
planet and wondering how their families would go on without them...

Any comments, SHIPFIXR... here are your pals in the MOSSAD... what do
you think about their glee at the deaths of your fellow Americans who
SACRIFICED their lives and their kids' future happiness to try and
rescue other fellow Americans ???

... comment on it, SHIPFIXR... i mean, y'had the stones t'say that
Larry Weaver had no balls... now comment on the conduct of your pals
in the MOSSAD... don't sidestep with a "non-answer" answer... that
won't prove y'have balls, SHIPFIXR!

FROM ABC NEWS:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html


FROM A ZIONIST(not an anti-semitic) PUBLICATION, STEVE...

http://www.gothamgazette.com/citizen/jan02/7.shtml

ONE CAN'T SCREAM ANTI-SEMITISM when ONE'S own actions speak for
themselves, steve... the guys were dancing and smiling in TWO
different locations...

...they ONLY deny dancing and smiling at ONE of the TWO locations...
the words of their own zionist publications speak for themselves....
forget my commentary... forget what the anti-semites say...their own
words "damn" them.
In other words, the one "witness" was not telling the truth.
her testimony MATCHES EXACTLY with the conduct described by OTHER
WITNESSES at a LATER TIME and in a DIFFERENT LOCATION... but she was
basically an "antisemite" who wasn't telling the truth becuase the 5
MOSSAD men "deny it"


...do you think they'd want $15 billion of their tax dollars going to
people who murdered the crew of the USS Liberty and Mossad agents who
danced with glee in front of the WTC as the men of Ladder Company 6
and Ladder Company 3 were breathing their lasts breaths of life on
this earth and wondering how their wives, kids, brothers, sisters,
moms and dads would go on without them?

SHIPFIXIR IS PRESENTLY "RUNNING AWAY" FASTER THAN EVER and dropping
wee brown cookies from his "crapped panties" as he flees... what about
the conduct of those MOSSAD agents, SHIPFIXR???... come on, admit it
to us all, shipfixr... you too enjoyed knowing that the men of Ladder
Company 6 and Ladder Company 3 were breathing their last breaths of
life on this planet... correct, laddie?

"cut-paste-and respond"... completely... no omissions,shipfixr... no
omissions like mikey weeks... no omissions like "little people".... no
omissions like Stan Engel... come on, the guy who found humor in Larry
Weaver's injuries to the point that he'd joke that Larry Weaver must
have gotten his "balls shot off"

...are you going to "run away" now????
.....but I will comment on your lack of balls.....what
am I doing in a conversation with someone who dresses up in a costume?
I don't usually do this, but I'm gonna have to killfile you insect.
Acccchhh! m'wee bairn... your "self-esteem" is so much tied into your
presence on these newsgroups that y'canna' killfile anyone because
you're desperate to know what others are saying aboot you,laddie....


Bwaaahaaa! ROTFLMAO!

y'could no more "killfile" someone than y'could dig deep down inside
yourself to stand behind the words that you yourself have posted...
DN
B) ..and here is SHIPFIXR again fleeing:

MIKE WEEKS, USS LIBERTY USS LIBERTY MURDERS ISRAEL AHRON JAY CRISTOL
A. JAY CRISTOL GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL GOI IDF THE LIBERTY INCIDENT
ASSAULT ON THE LIBERTY JIM ENNES JAMES ENNES JAMES A. ENNES JOE
MEADORS WAR CRIME shipfixr shipfxr dn little people matthew ackerman
stan engel stanley engel roberta hatch rj goldman r goldman



INTRUDER ALERT, LADDIES.... MIKE WEEKS IS ABOOT T'DISCUSS HIS
"QUALIFICATIONS" as a .... ahem... "naval aviator".... hey, mikey!
..."ever spent some time around some arrogant jet jocks"???

Bwaahaaa! ROTFLMAO! LOL!

QUESTION #1)...and kevin brooks said this:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl70123069d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=1e6ea40d.0310150943.6c7fc8e4%40posting.google.com

"No idea, but a good point. Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to
tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys",
since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when
called upon his own "qualifications"."

Bwaaaaahaaa! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!!

C'mon mikey... tell an old scot your qualifications, laddie!
(END OF QUESTION #1)
"DN",
I am going to sign off. good luck in your hunt for anti semites.
-Steve
Gee Stevie, don't let the space cadet see you "run" or he'll put you in his
daily repeat posts. (Note for Google archieves: Stevie is "signing off" with
question unanswered)
DN
--Remove "nojunk" to Email--
Accchhh! m'wee bairn....

..this from the laddie who said, "I'll thhhhay it again. Larry Weaver
showed no balllthhzzz in that particular exchnge"

care to comment on Cristol's "credibility" NOW, laddie??

the "credibility" which serves as the foundation for the "scholarship"
and "research" you talked about when attempting to assert that the
"30mm with proximity fusing" lie was in fact a "minor technical
mithhhtake"???

No ..you won't...

OR

do you still want to talk aboot Larry Weaver's lack of balls... when
you said you were offended at me pretending to be a chief engineer
from the 23rd Century Starship...

..without AGAIN defending Cristol who pretended to be a 1950s/1960s
"jet fighter pilot" who "flew combat missions in the Far East" and who
pretended he was a "Naval Intelligence" officer???

..have y'found the balls in yourself THAT YOU claim Larry Weaver
didn't show to answer how...

..true "jet fighter pilots"

who TRULY flew combat missions...

would be offended

go run away from your own words, m'wee bairn

..because i'm re-posting them right here... and we know IT IS
YOU...not Larry Weaver that doesna' have the stones to answer:

...but i'll re-post it anyway...


AND HERE IT IS SPORTS FANS... The words of Shipfixr... a traitor to
his fellow Americans who would defend Israeli MOSSAD Agents who danced
it looks like the chief engineer has got you "DN". So why not just
respond to the substance of what he is asserting?
Got me on what Steve?? A single post taken out of context about four years
ago; I will say again that, in that particular exchange, Larry W. showed NO
balls,
Acccchhh! m'wee bairn... i'll give y'warp factor eight and maybe a wee
bit more...

"I will thhhay it again with my crapped panties thhhmelling up the
whole newthzzzgroup....in that particular exthhhchange, Larry W showed
no ballthzzz...now i'm going to pranthhh around like a little thhhissy
girl for you all"

"in that particular exchange???".... "NO balls in that particular
exchange"???....

is that the "standard" we're adhering to, SHIPFIXR?...

who is "show[ing] "balls" in [any] particular exchange???

it was YOU who "first" wrote to ME on 12/24/2003 on this thread and in
our subsequent "exchange[s]"... so y'must've expected a reply... in
fact y'asked for one by saying: "Tell us"... "Tell us, if y'can do it
w'out your cute wee Scottish accent why being mistaken makes one a
liar"


"tell us"...no just you,laddie... the entire thread readership... what
"collective" did you think you had the authority t'speak for m'wee
bairn?

you've seen the nature of m'posts... y'had the opportunity just to
ignore me...

y'didna'...

on multiple occasions ON THIS VERY THREAD... y'didna' ignore me until
y'realized yourself that IT WAS YOU who had no BALLS on multiple
exchanges...

...and now you've run away after saying it was Larry Weaver who showed
no balls on that "particular exchange"...

y'havna' shown much in the way of "balls" in your "particular
exchanges" w'stevie richter, m'wee bairn... t'be honest, your
percentage of "fairly answering" his questions is what?... maybe less
than 10%??... or is it 5%???

..so on those "other particular exchanges" or maybe even all those
"particular exchanges"... are YOU YOURSELF no showing "any balls"?

multiple times...

... in response to stevie richter's queries you've perhaps
"demonstratively established" MULTIPLE TIMES that you have no balls???

"i'll thhhay it again"

well, aye laddie..."say it again"

"say it again" THAT it wuzzz YOU who first contacted me... no the
other way aroond, m'wee bairn... and now that you got stuck defending
Cristol's credibility.... you're saying you willna' talk t'me ...

...but stevie has provided no such supposedly "offensive behavior"
("behavior" that didna' seem t'bother you in the first place OR your
subsequent replies...until y'got stuck)

why have you no shown "any balls" on those "particular exchange[s]"
w'stevie???

"Tell us"...it was you yourself WHO first posted TO ME on 12/24/2003


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%2237mm+or+40mm+are+the+smallest+projectiles+equipped+with%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=20031227000630.26263.00001752%40mb-m06.aol.com&rnum=1
Tell us, if you can do it without hiding in your
"cute" little scot accent, why being mistaken makes one a liar.
i'll tell y'laddie... and i'll no just tell you...i'll give y'warp
factor eight while i'm telling you... and maybe... just maybe... a
weeeee bit more.
Tell us, if you can do it without hiding in your
"cute" little scot accent, why being mistaken makes one a liar.
again,laddie... "being mistaken" doesna' "make one a liar"; telling
"lies" "makes one a liar"
I found a lot
of things in Mr Cristol's book that I didn't think
were totally or technically
correct
..as opposed to being "bold-faced lies"
but I've got to tell you it showed a lot more research than any other
thing I've read on the subject.
look at what DN had to say about his "minor mistakes": ...
I found a lot of things in Mr Cristol's book that I didn't think were
totally or technically correct but I've got to tell you it showed a
lot more research than any other thing I've read on the subject."
...including the "subject" of him telling "lies" aboot his
"qualifications", laddie???

1)the "jet fighter pilot" lie Cristol told to www.camera. org???

2)the same guy, Cristol, who bullshitted about his own service record
and told the Miami Herald he "flew combat missions in the far east"???

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/3663371.htm

3)the same guy, Cristol, who bullshitted about his own service record
and told AIPAC that he was "a former U.S. Navy combat pilot"???

http://www.aipac.org/documents/settingner072902.html

4)the same guy, Cristol, who bullshitted about his own service record
and told Thomas Spencer of the "Association of Former Intelligence
Professionals" that he was an "ex-naval intelligence officer"??

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/issues/2003-01-16/metro2.html/1/index.html

What "credibility" of Cristol's is SHIPFIXR defending???...the guy was
a
"naval reservist who flew Turkey Props" BUT WHO PRETENDS TO BE a
"Korean war combat fighter pilot" who also happened to be a former
"Naval Intelligence officer"

That is why SHIPFIXR "ran away", sports fans... "ran away" with his
panties full-of-crap ...and that
is ALSO why he won't return, stevie...


to advance the "minor mistake" thesis of the "30mm with proximity
fusing" lie... SHIPFIXR would then have had to answer the next few
lines of that same footnote which further destroy the "scholarship"
and "research" that SHIPFIXR bragged about Cristol having
accomplished...


1)y'got caught/stuck having t'defend Cristol's credibility

2)Cristol has no credibility when he tells:
a) CAMERA that he was a "jet fighter pilot" and
b) tells AIPAC he was a former Navy combat pilot
c) the Miami Herald that he "flew combat missions in the Far East"
d) bullshits to Thomas Spencer that he was an ex-Naval Intelligence
officer
c)Thomas Spencer that he was an ex-Naval Intelligence officer



it was you who backed Cristol's scholarship and "research" while at
the same time denying that the "30mm cannon shell with proximity
fusing" lie told by Cristol and the GOI was anything more than a
"minor mistake".

Of necessity, either of those virtues of "scholarship" and "research"
sit on the foundation of his "credibility"



here, laddie... and to steve richter,also... it was you, DN, who first
wrote to me on 12/24/2003 on this very thread
it has nothing to do with his performance or behaviour during the attack
on the ship but we don't get to see that.
well... that's truly bra then m'wee bairn... if it's true that it had
"nothing to do with his performance or behavior during the attack"
then y'should have NO TROUBLE talkin' aboot your BALLS(or lack of
them) in these "particular exchanges" w'both:

1) me(which you yourself initiated on 12/24/2003) and

2)Steve Richter
nothing to do with his performance or behaviour during the attack
lack of balls on that particular exchange
why then would y'no answer aboot your own balls on the "particular
exchange[s]" with at least stevie and myself??... if no m'self...then
why no stevie???
As for responding to that
cockroach.....never happen.
y'already have... since i didna' contact you on this thread... but on
12/24/2003... it was you who contacted me... then y'already have...
and y'kept on responding until y'got stuck defending

1)the credibility of A. Jay Hooey as it pertained to both:
a)him bullshitting about his "jet fighter pilot" and "Naval
Intelligence" officer

b)the "believability" of the "minor technical mistake" as it
pertained t'the "30mm with proximity fusing" lie WHEN CONFIGURED
AGAINST....

... the "believability" of the balance of what was stated in that same
first footnote to "The Air and Sea Attack" of "The Liberty
Incident"... as well as defending...

...the attendant implication to the annihilation of your "minor
technical mistake" thesis on the "30mm with proximity fusing and of
course,...


c) Cristol's "intellectual dishonesty" in only citing the portion
of Radioman Smith's NCOI testimony as it pertained to the 1KC off from
the 500KC frequency as "annihilating the radio jamming myth" without
the objective historian Cristol...

... telling his readers that on the very next page Radioman Smith
states to the court's question that he believed jamming had occurred
and described its nature...

..that's why your no responding to me ANY FURTHER, laddie... you're
the one w'no balls on these particular exchanges...

...t'think a spineless little puke like you would even think t'make a
comment like that about Larry Weaver's war injuries in light of what
you yourself have demonstrated in less than 7 days on this board.
He isn't fit to converse with men....
...and after what you've read about yourself in the above lines... are
you including yourself in that subset of individuals known as real
"men"... or have y'been more of a "gelding", m'wee stallion???

Bwaaaahaaaa! ROTFLMAO! LOL!!!

What i thought was m'wee "stallion" was really a "gelding"... on these
"particular exchange[s]"

or are y'more of a "eunuch" as compared t'Larry Weaver???... on these
"particular exchange[s]"???

In fact... i'm going to have Jim Ennes e-mail Larry... y'can tell
Larry now, Shipfixr...

... in light of the above lines...

...in light of the fact that y'werena' talking about his "war record"
BUT instead "[you'll] say it again... he showed NO BALLS[that were
shot off that day] on that particular exchange]...


...tell Larry and Stevie about the BALLS THAT you have shown this
week...

a)show Larry what has been your subsequent defense of Cristol's
credibility attendant to the "minor technical mistake" thesis... give
us a wee hyperlink t'verify it,also
as I said,
that you go along with him and refer to him as "the chief engineer" (an insult
to those such as myself who have really been Chief Engineers)
Okayyyy! m'wee bairn... if someone such as yourself has REALLY been a
"Chief Engineer"... it implies a bit of:
1)"post-secondary education" or "equivalent training" AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY,...

2)advanced cognitive ability("horse sense"... even for a "gelding"
such as yourself on these "particular exchanges" of this past week ,
SHIPFIXR)

and IF you're truly "insulted...

b)then show Larry Weaver ... a true war hero...your own balls,
SHIPFIXR... and talk aboot the "insult" to:
1) true "jet fighter pilots" and
2) true "Naval Intelligence" officers and people who
3) truly "flew combat missions in the Far East

...tell us the name of the "objective historian and author" who truly
"insult[ed] those heroes when he himself was hundreds and perhaps
thousands of miles away from any "actual combat"...

...in the Navy's slowest planes("Turkey Props" are not to the best of
my knowledge,"F-86-5As", SHIPFIXR)

..90 days before the armistice was signed
makes me wonder about you.
gee... "makes me wonder",also... Scotty was a Chief Engineer from the
23rd-Century Starship on a Sci-Fi TV Show...

...he could've just as equally been a 23rd-century swabbie and i
would've been imitating his "accent" as long as he was on a TV Show(I
do a terrific "hopsing_ cartwright" also... is THAT an insult to
19th-Century Chinese Cooks???... but i'll play t'your standard SINCE
IT MEANS you'll talk to Larry Weaver about your own BALLS in this
"particular exchange")
I am shocked that you and others don't disavow his words and
actions.
From a representation of a Science-Fiction TV character???...who just
happened to play the part of a "Chief Engineer" on a United Federation
of Planet's Starrrrrrshippp???...

...when you yourself have talked aboot me having a "photon torpedo" to
overhaul???
I am shocked that you and others don't disavow his words and
actions.
...which again gets to the "cognitive ability(horse sense)" attendant
t'being a Chief Engineer, m'wee bairn....

... I'm just wonderin' what the level o'capability is of the people
THAT your nation is trusting t'defend its freedom w'high-priced
military equipment like ships????...

...i mean, y'didna' foresee that "stepping into something" as "stupid"
I am shocked that you and others don't disavow his words and
actions.
..aboot a Sci-Fi TV character from the 1960s ....who floats aboot
"outer space"... 150 years from now....and plays a Chief Engineer so
incompetent that he canna' even get his "manual override" to
successfully work in even one episode...

...WOULD WIND UP LEADING t'someone asking if YOU YOURSELF, SHIPFIXR if
YOU were possessed of the BALLS in this "particular exchange" to
publicly...on this thread...today... "disavow the words and actions"
of an "objective historian and author" who CLAIMED to AIPAC that he
flew,

...not a "science-fiction toy" in some "future century"...

but an ACTUAL "jet fighter" in an ACTUAL "war" where there are ACTUAL
"fighter pilots" alive TODAY...

... who might ACTUALLY be "insulted" that someone who ACTUALLY
graduated from Turkey Prop school 90 days before the armistice was
signed....

... who ACTUALLY never got closer than hundreds and perhaps thosands
of miles anywhere NEAR ACTUAL "combat" would...

... ACTUALLY tell the AIPAC that he was an ACTUAL "jet fighter pilot"
and the Miami Herald that he ACTUALLY "flew combat missions in the Far
East" and ...

...ACTUALLY tell Thomas Spencer that he once was a "Naval
Intelligence" officer...

...when in fact he was ACTUALLY a "Naval reservist" who flew the
Navy's Slowest Planes who never even got within Thousands of miles of
Actual Combat????
I am shocked that you and others don't disavow his words and
actions.
...what about it, SHIPFIXR?... i'm talking about your "lack of balls
on this particular exchange"...are you going to tell Larry Weaver ,who
YOU YOURSELF accused of having "no balls" in that "particular
exchange"...

...that "you [yourself, SHIPFXR] and others have "publicly"
"disavowed" Cristol's "words and actions"???...

... both on these threads AND in "Letters To The Editor" of these
newspapers??? ...

AND...

....that "you and others" have "disavowed [A. Jay Cristol's] words and
actions"...

..for NOT pretending to be a "Sci-Fi TV character" but instead
PRETENDING TO BE...

... an ACTUAL "Korean War Hero 'Jet Fighter Pilot' and 'Naval
Intelligence Officer'"????


No,laddie...y'didna' run away because of my trekkie uniform...

y'ran away because y'yourself dinna' have the balls that y'claimed
Larry Weaver didna' have

...and y'came t'this board on 12/24/2003 outfitted w'Robert Hatch's
'strap-on" "johnson" and swaggering aboot like y'were capable o'dealin
w'the "30mm with proximity fusing" lie

...and now you've run away, laddie... not because of any "trekkie
uniform" or "cute accent"...

...but because y'werena' possesed o'the balls in this "paricular
exchange"...

...and while your standing here w'your crapped pants, in front of:
Steve Richter,
Kevin Brooks,
Ron Gotcher,
the supposedly "Nazi Jew Hating Joe Meadors",
Larry Weaver,
Johnny Gidusko,
John Hrankowski,
Bruce Charles, and
Jim Ennes....

...i'll repost that message you wrote t'Larry Weaver t'show everyone
that you're not CONTEMPUTUOUSLY SMIRKING nearly-as-much TODAY at the
re-posting of this message AS YOU WERE four years ago to a man who
"must have had his balls shot off that day"

SHIPFIXR WROTE ABOUT USS LIBERTY SURVIVOR, LARRY WEAVER... who, as a
consequence of loyal service to the people of the United States, has
had 28 surgical operations necessitated by the murderous attack on the
USS Liberty of June 8,1967:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=19990515102717.23703.00000805%40ng-ci1.aol.com
Since you can't post for yourself, I have to think the " rocket and
cannon
fire to the human body!" must have shot your balls off also.....
Hell Weaver,
look at the bright side of it all......the attack gave you your
lifetime
profession: "SURVIVOR".
DN
and he ran away himself,Larry.... w'his crapped panties dropping
cookies
alll along th'way... m'wee dung beetle, shipfixr... he "ran away"
And, what right did the IAF controllers have to call off the attack
and dramatically order the Royal flight to "leave her!" when Royal
reported the non arabic lettering on the bow of the ship?
Don't you realize you are as much as saying that the Israelis realized they
were making a mistake when they were told there was "...non-arabic lettering on
the bow"?
..and yet th'MTB captain ...who attacked later after Royal leader had
departed...stated he thought the Anglicized lettering was an "Egyptian
ruse from Newport News" when he saw it on the one side o'the ship...

BUT

... decided it was American when he saw that same lettering on the
other side of the ship...evidently the Good Captain of the MTB must
have not thought too much of the intelligence of the Egyptian mind to
assume they would only apply "fake hull markings" to ONE side of a
ship.
DN
...and now I will drop the Scottish accent, DN... i thought you had
been just telling "lies" but its now plainly evident("takes one to
know one") that something is ALSO wrong with you "upstairs", as it
were, big fella'.

..you're "lying to yourself" when you go about pretending that the
accent was the predicate for your "cowardly flight" WHEN IN FACT...

... it was because you yourself are the one WHO IN FRONT of the
Liberty Survivors has been exposed as having "lacked the balls" after
contemptuously snorting, "And I'll thhhayyy it again, Larry Weaver
lacked...."

you can thhhayyy it a million times,DN... but it doesn't change the
fact that you've been exposed today...on this thread... in front of
the Liberty survivors...

...as a... well... as a "spineless puke"

...you CAN'T defend Cristol's "credibility", SHIPFIXR... and yet
"credibility" is the "matrix" or "foundation" WHICH OF NECESSITY,
"scholarship" AND "RESEARCH" MUST SIT UPON...

..and you HAD to "flee"

...so in the absence of you suffering from an organic "mental defect"
which represents a "true clinical condition"...

...then you're possessed of a "charcater defect"... you know you are
telling "lies" about your fellow countrymen...

...who are standing up for "murdered comrades" unable to rise from the
graves to defend their "memories" and "blameless conduct"(no one was
transmitting SIGINT data to the Egyptians as Ackerman averred)IN FAVOR
OF...

...their "murderers"...what does that say about you both as an
"individual" and as an "American", SHIPFIXR??

...during WWII we know there were Britons who "sold out" their fellow
countrymen to the Nazis...

...and that is exactly what "you have done" and what you would gladly
"do again"... i mean NOTHING is stopping you NOW at this moment IN
FRONT OF this audience from finally talking about:


the credibility of A. Jay Cristolas it pertained to both:
a)him bullshitting about his "jet fighter pilot" and "Naval
Intelligence" officer

b)the "believability" of YOUR "minor technical mistake" as it
pertained to the "30mm with proximity fusing" lie WHEN CONFIGURED
AGAINST ...

...the "believability" of the balance of what was stated in that same
first footnote to "The Air and Sea Attack" of "The Liberty
Incident"...

... as well as defending... the attendant implication to the
annihilation of your "minor technical mistake" thesis on the "30mm
with proximity fusing and of course,...

c) Cristol's "intellectual dishonesty" in only citing the portion
of Radioman Smith's NCOI testimony as it pertained to the 1KC off from
the 500KC frequency as "annihilating the radio jamming myth" without
the "objective historian", Cristol...

... telling his readers that on THE VERY NEXT PAGE of that NCOI
testimony by Radioman Smith, that he states,in answer to the court's
question that he believed jamming had occurred and THEN described its
nature/character...

"i'll thhhayyy it again"......during WWII we know there were Britons
who "sold out" their fellow countrymen to the Nazis...

...and that is exactly what "you have done" and what you would gladly
"do again"... i mean NOTHING is stopping you NOW at this moment IN
FRONT OF this audience from FINALLY taking up the "standard" THAT you
yourself brought into play BY NOW talking about the credibility of
Cristol, correct??

So now, Shipfixr... in front of this audience of Liberty survivors
...as well as Steve Richter and Kevin Brooks... we get to examine the
"inner workings" of a man possessed of the charcter
defect("weakness"... "no balls"...whatever you want to call it) who
would "sell out his fellow countrymen" and has already done so on
these threads...

1) you INDEED have to know you're tellin "lies" to assist those who
murdered your countrymen to cover up their crime

2) you can't however admit to yourself that you are INDEED both a
"coward" with "no balls" in ANY "particular exchange".. and a
"traitor"...

...so when confronted on these threads with that REALITY that INDEED
you ARE a "traiterous coward" ...

... WHO most likely DID in fact "dance with glee" and give Mike Weeks,
Matthew Ackerman, Roberta Hatch and others the internet equivalent of
"high fives" at the thought of... well... well,yes... i'll say it...

...at the thought of the men of Ladder Company 6 and Ladder Company 3
breathing their last breaths of life amidst the burning rubble of the
WTC on 9/11 and who sacrificed their lives and their kids' future
happiness to rescue(not "betray") their fellow countrymen...


...JUST AS THOSE Dancing MOSSAD agents from the country you ALL
"defend" as our "friends" did...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html

http://www.gothamgazette.com/citizen/jan02/7.shtml


... AND WHO YOU all KNOW murdered the crew of the USS Liberty on June
8,1967

...otherwise one of you would have "picked up the standard" of
Cristol's "credibility"....

...and Cristol stating it was CIA Director, Helms's "opinion" AS
OPPOSED TO the truth that Helms stated it was the "conclusion" of the
CIA "Board of Inquiry" that there could be "no doubt" that Israel knew
they were murdering Americans....

...all of you mentioned above... "knew" Helms wasn't offering his
"opinion" as Cristol maintained...

...and yet, like you, SHIPFIXR... none of YOU ALL have "disavowed"
Cristol's "words or actions"... not even Matthew "Carlo from the
Godfather Part II" Ackerman

again...your mind doesn't allow you to deal with it, Shipfixr...
otherwise you'd "disavow" Cristol this instant in front of ALL OF
these people...

...so when confronted with that REALITY that INDEED you ARE a
"traiterous coward" on these threads...

...your mind seeks "comfort" to "resolve" these two mutually
inconsistent beliefs of this dissonant thought pattern attendant to
the "inner workings" of that "scrambled egg" of yours, big guy

...and so you blame others... you call others "reckless"... you scream
that others should "disavow words and actions"... you call others "jew
haters" or "antisemites"... and so do your friends, Roberta, Matt,
Mike, RJ, et al.

1)WELL, IF I CAN'T GET you to quit telling "lies", Shipfixr...and...
2)YOU yourself are GOING TO MAKE "no attempt whatsoever" to deal with
this "character defect" of yours...

...then the best advice one can give to you and the other similarly
situated pro-Israeli shills on these threads(Mike Weeks, Matthew
Ackerman and others)is to:

Okayyyyy!! ...keep tellinggggg "lies".. if you can't stop YOURSELVES
from telling "lies", then "keep on lying",guy.

"Lie" to anyone...
"Con" anyone....
...but don't "lie" to yourself, Shipfixr;
it may not "hurt",...
...but it never, ever "helps"

think of the "good laugh" that you got that day out of Larry Weaver's
misfortune...

and yes,... think of the "good laugh" that you got out of the thought
of the men of Ladder Company 6 and Ladder Company 3 breathing their
last breaths of life on this earth and wondering how their families
would go on without them as the rubble of the WTC on 9/11 was about to
become their grave...
I am shocked that you and others don't disavow his words and
actions.
...and then think of the "shock" and dismay at yourself...and your own
"inner workings"...

...that EVEN AT THIS MOMENT in front of BOTH the Liberty Survivors and
YOU'RE PRO_ISRAELI BUDDIES ...that INDEED you NOW KNOW you aren't
possessed of the "intestinal fortitude(balls)...to "disavow
[Cristol's} words and actions" from SOMEONE(Cristol) who was truly
"pretending to be something that he is not"

BACK TO MY FAMILIAR 23rd-century Glaswegian accent...

again,laddie... "being mistaken" doesna' "make one a liar": telling
"lies" "makes one a liar"


c)..and here is little_people fleeing...
MIKE WEEKS, USS LIBERTY USS LIBERTY MURDERS ISRAEL AHRON JAY CRISTOL
A. JAY CRISTOL GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL GOI IDF THE LIBERTY INCIDENT
ASSAULT ON THE LIBERTY JIM ENNES JAMES ENNES JAMES A. ENNES JOE
MEADORS WAR CRIME little_people dancing israelis
[...snip it all...]
Out of sheer exhasperation (which, I suspect, was your intent), I will concede
Ohhh! m'wee bairn... you're conceding this point without comment?

The Zionist publication, Yediot America, calling the FIRST WITNESS at
the FIRST LOCATION a liar????


THEY DANCED at two DIFFERENT LOCATIONS at two DIFFERENT TIMES in front
of two DIFFERENT SETS of witnesses AND THEY ONLY deny dancing at the
first location...

calling the FIRST WITNESS at the FIRST LOCATION a liar.


...and the Zionist publication wanted "you" to be gullible enough to
believe these guys by vouching for them and saying, "In other words,
the one "witness" was not telling the truth."

THE ZIONIST PUBLICATION'S account of events at the SECOND LOCATION AT
A different time AND as told by the MULTIPLE WITNESSES(the ..ahem..
"mennn" DO NOT deny dancing at this location... by calling all of
these multiple witnesses "liars" also):

THE ZIONIST PUBLICATION:
calling the FIRST WITNESS at the FIRST LOCATION a liar

BUT NOT

calling all of
these multiple second witnesses at a SECOND LOCATION "liars" also???


..when the stories as to the "jotous dancing" of the TWO SETS of
witnesses at the TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS match precisely???

The Zionist publication doesn't call these multiple witnesses AT THE
SECOND LOCATION who called in separately on their phones...

Like you, little_people... the Zionist publication is a "true piece of
shit"

it was the FIRST WOMAN at the FIRST LOCATION who told the truth

it was the Dancing Israelis who lied

it was the Zionist publication who lied

1)comment on why a Zionist publication would lie about a woman who
they knew was telling the truth

OR

2) explain how the stories of TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF WITNESSES matched
exactly at TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS


...maybe Mike Weeks explained it in his reply to Thomas about "others
have made that claim" INSTEAD OF "trained journalists"

tsk..tsk... "deception" on the part of our allies... and they scream
"antisemite" so often when they get caught red-handed OR like Mikey
Weeks

...they run away...

Bwaaahaaaa!!!
- The significance of a handful of (*allegedly*) "dancing" Israeli citizens in
the grand scheme of things.
they're MOSSAD agents who knew the Twin Towers were to be attacked and
didn't tell the US Government, laddie...

...and dogs sniffed explosives in their vans.. so they may have been
more involved
- That the *alleged* idiotic actions of a handful of Israeli citizens are not
representative of their counry's/government's sentiments as a whole, as you are
so desparate of want to suggest.
the Lavon Affair... the murder of the crew of the USS Liberty
confirmed by CIA Director Richard Helms
- The fact that you are a fucking liar, and that I have defended no one's
"behavior".
- That for all your marked maps (whatever, etc.), you have *still* not
positively established that the men in question were agents of Mossad beyond the
reported speculation of a few "officials" coupled with your own thrown-in
innuendo.
in terms of "public policy formation" (foreign aid to Israel) we don't
anything more than a "journalistic standard of sufficiency"... not
courtroom "guilt beyond a reasonable doubt"... and you had :
1)The ABC News hyperlink
2)The ..ahem..moving firm(MOSSAD "front operation")packing up their
bags and hightailing it back to Israel
And now, you may kindly step to hell. I'm done trying to make head or tails of
your insipid, confusing, accch-m'wee-wanna-jack-off posts (which, for some
reason - posterity, I suppose - tend to include bits of previous discussions
with other posters that are not directy related to any exchanges you and I have
had).
Then why did you contact me first... if this is your reason for
"running away" now


So you may now add this latest response to the trophy case of those
you've
run off - not from the discussion, mind you, but from the desire to have any
further discourse with you.
again... why did you all contact me in the first place??... what you
claim is the reason for "running away" now WAS SELF EVIDENT before you
even first posted to me....

...no, m'wee bairn... you're running away... and its the discussion
that you're running awy from... y'canna' answer why Yediot America
called that woman eyewitness an "antisemite" and now you're fleeing
If someone else who speaks the english language wants to pick up where you left
off, I'll consider addressing the response. Otherwise, we're done.
Bwaaaahaaa! ROTFLMAO!!! LOL!... again, I spoke EXACTLY now as when you
first contacted me....

accccHHH!!! m'wee cowardly bairn crapped his panties...
little_people
2004-02-16 03:54:03 UTC
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montgomery_scott says...
[...]
2) or where you yourself, little_people, fled from me on the Zionist
news publication dealing with Yediot America calling an eyewitness to
MOSSAD agents celebrating the deaths ofthe 9/11 deaths of the men of
Ladder Company 6 and Ladder Company 3 as they were breathing their
last breaths of life on this planet and wondering how their families
would go on withou them?
You were the one who "fled" from that discussion.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?M47822B67

I repeat the challenge (that you have so far left unanswered): Tell us what you
know about it that the FBI doesn't.

[...]
Mike Weeks
2004-02-16 04:16:33 UTC
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Date: 2/15/2004 19:54 Pacific Standard Time
montgomery_scott says...
[...]
2) or where you yourself, little_people, fled from me on the Zionist
news publication dealing with Yediot America calling an eyewitness to
MOSSAD agents celebrating the deaths ofthe 9/11 deaths of the men of
Ladder Company 6 and Ladder Company 3 as they were breathing their
last breaths of life on this planet and wondering how their families
would go on withou them?
You were the one who "fled" from that discussion.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M47822B67
I repeat the challenge (that you have so far left unanswered): Tell us what you
know about it that the FBI doesn't.
[...]
Oh my, trekie space cadet foolishly posting again. Don't anyone hold their
breath ...

MW
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"All actions in war will be based on incomplete, inaccurate, or even
contradictory information." -- HQUSMC, Warfighting(MCDP-1)
Mike Weeks
2004-02-12 22:01:23 UTC
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Date: 2/11/2004 13:56 Pacific Standard Time
With all the people who were actually involved in previous
investigation now coming forward ...
ROTFLOL - the claims from the conspiracy supporters/loons has been that there's
never been any investigation of this incident!

So now it's being claimed there have been? Is that how it's going to play out
now?

What a gas!!

MW
-------------------------------------
"All actions in war will be based on incomplete, inaccurate, or even
contradictory information." -- HQUSMC, Warfighting(MCDP-1)
Theodore Herzl
2004-02-13 18:54:10 UTC
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Post by Mike Weeks
Date: 2/11/2004 13:56 Pacific Standard Time
With all the people who were actually involved in previous
investigation now coming forward with evidence of a cover-up at the
highest level, the conspiracy is not a theory, but very factual
indeed. Of course, those trying to hide the conspiracy from the
public will surely try to prevent a new investigation to protect
themselves from prosecution and possible prison, but we must ignore
the cries of the criminals and proceed with a new investigation.
There is well over the preponderance of evidence needed to file, and
likely win, a civil lawsuit against Israel for the crime they
committed against the United States. With the new evidence of a
conspiracy, it should not be hard to argue that any agreement made by
the parties to the conspiracy would be void and permit a new civil
case for damages to proceed.

In the civil case, you would only need a preponderance of evidence to
prove Israel's guilt and would certainly bring the issue into the
radar of mainstream Americans.

Since you chose to respond to only a portion of my response above, I
added it back in for clarity.
Post by Mike Weeks
With all the people who were actually involved in previous
investigation now coming forward ...
ROTFLOL - the claims from the conspiracy supporters/loons has been that there's
never been any investigation of this incident!
So now it's being claimed there have been? Is that how it's going to play out
now?
What a gas!!
MW
First off, their is no question that there was ONE investigation
conducted by the US Navy, which new evidence and testimony from those
actually involved in the original investigation indicates there was a
cover-up and conspiracy at the highest level to prevent the truth from
being known. Given this new testimony, the first thing that should
occur is to investigate and gather testimony under oath from those
involved and determine if in fact there was a cover-up. If the
evidence and testimony indicates that one may have occurred, a new
investigation into the attack upon Liberty should be conducted and
those involved in the cover-up exposed and brought to justice.

Secondly, why investigator wannabes like yourself spend so much effort
to assist in possibly continuing this conspiracy against the people of
the United States, is puzzling and disturbing. I can appreciate that
you have your own opinion, but to work so diligently to prevent a new
investigation with so much evidence that there was a possible cover-up
is very suspicious and would lead one to believe you are a traitor to
your own country. I can understand someone who was a victim working
very hard to find justice, but what motivates Mike "The Mole" Weeks to
spend so much of his time fighting those whose only goal is to find
justice and closure for themselves and their dead shipmates? Are
you just a sorry son of a bitch who has no life, a deranged idiot who
latched on to this issue as you feel it gives your miserable life some
meaning?

So Mike, maybe you can enlighten us as to why you oppose so vehemently
a new investigation. Are you a spy or agent for a foreign government,
an agent working for the conspirators within our own government, a
sorry son of a bitch with no life, or a deranged Idiot?
Mike Weeks
2004-02-14 05:05:20 UTC
Permalink
Date: 2/13/2004 10:54 Pacific Standard Time
<...>
First off, their is no question that there was ONE investigation
conducted by the US Navy, which new evidence and testimony from those
actually involved in the original investigation indicates there was a
cover-up and conspiracy at the highest level to prevent the truth from
being known.
There's no such testimony and certainly no new evidence.

In addition, as is the norm, there apparently is a complete failure to
understand the other investigations which have taken place over the years.
Given this new testimony, the first thing that should
occur is to investigate and gather testimony under oath from those
involved and determine if in fact there was a cover-up.
ROTFLOL. This may come as a shock, but it ain't 1967 any longer.
If the
evidence and testimony indicates that one may have occurred, a new
investigation into the attack upon Liberty should be conducted and
those involved in the cover-up exposed and brought to justice.
ROTFLOL - once again, it ain't 1967.

You know, living one's life w/ one's head suck in the sand really ain't
healthy.
Secondly, why investigator wannabes like yourself spend so much effort
to assist in possibly continuing this conspiracy against the people of
the United States, is puzzling and disturbing. I can appreciate that
you have your own opinion, but to work so diligently to prevent a new
investigation with so much evidence that there was a possible cover-up
is very suspicious and would lead one to believe you are a traitor to
your own country.
ROTFLOL – what a loon. Ain't the net wonderful. Little ole' me, preventing
any *new* investigation ... Wow ...
I can understand someone who was a victim working
very hard to find justice, but what motivates Mike "The Mole" Weeks to
spend so much of his time fighting those whose only goal is to find
justice and closure for themselves and their dead shipmates?
Gee, perhaps that's not really the agenda?
Are
you just a sorry son of a bitch who has no life, a deranged idiot who
latched on to this issue as you feel it gives your miserable life some
meaning?
ROTFLOL – what a sorry ass you are for being so totally clueless. But then
again, w/ such an ID that you use, one can understand how miserable your life
must be to post the nonsense that you do.
So Mike, maybe you can enlighten us as to why you oppose so vehemently
a new investigation. Are you a spy or agent for a foreign government,
an agent working for the conspirators within our own government, a
sorry son of a bitch with no life, or a deranged Idiot?
ROTFLOL - looked in a mirror recently to see what an idiot looks like? Perhaps
we all should revisit some of your posts from the past which just deal with the
SDW ...
MW
-------------------------------------
"All actions in war will be based on incomplete, inaccurate, or even
contradictory information." -- HQUSMC, Warfighting(MCDP-1)
Theodore Herzl
2004-02-18 00:01:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Weeks
Date: 2/13/2004 10:54 Pacific Standard Time
<...>
First off, their is no question that there was ONE investigation
conducted by the US Navy, which new evidence and testimony from those
actually involved in the original investigation indicates there was a
cover-up and conspiracy at the highest level to prevent the truth from
being known.
There's no such testimony and certainly no new evidence.
Ward Boston has signed an signed affidavit stating Johnson and
McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to conclude that the
attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence
to the contrary. His affidavit qualifies as testimony and evidence.
Post by Mike Weeks
In addition, as is the norm, there apparently is a complete failure to
understand the other investigations which have taken place over the years.
Please do elaborate on what those additional investigates were
investigating. From my reading, they did not re-examine the USS
Liberty attack. Please clarify, if you can, what each of these
investigations "investigated" or provide a link that provides that
information. Otherwise, we will continue to take the current
information and conclude they were bunk.
Post by Mike Weeks
Given this new testimony, the first thing that should
occur is to investigate and gather testimony under oath from those
involved and determine if in fact there was a cover-up.
ROTFLOL. This may come as a shock, but it ain't 1967 any longer.
This may be a shock, but there is no statute of limitations on murder
or conspiracy to commit murder. And if a conspiracy did exist, that
case would also still be open. Once again, Mike "the Mole" strikes
out with another dodge from the truth!
Post by Mike Weeks
If the
evidence and testimony indicates that one may have occurred, a new
investigation into the attack upon Liberty should be conducted and
those involved in the cover-up exposed and brought to justice.
ROTFLOL - once again, it ain't 1967.
Once again, it doesn’t matter. There is statute of limitations on
murder or conspiracy to cover up a murder. But you are free to let
the issue drop and go on to what ever else you do besides try to cover
the crimes committed against those who served in the United States
Navy. Like spying, espionage and other traitorous activity you
engage in.
Post by Mike Weeks
You know, living one's life w/ one's head suck in the sand really ain't
healthy.
Either is having one's head stuck up the ass of the Israeli
government.
Post by Mike Weeks
Secondly, why investigator wannabes like yourself spend so much effort
to assist in possibly continuing this conspiracy against the people of
the United States, is puzzling and disturbing. I can appreciate that
you have your own opinion, but to work so diligently to prevent a new
investigation with so much evidence that there was a possible cover-up
is very suspicious and would lead one to believe you are a traitor to
your own country.
ROTFLOL – what a loon. Ain't the net wonderful. Little ole' me, preventing
any *new* investigation ... Wow ...
I didn't give you that much credit. I said working to prevent a new
investigation. You are way too incompetent to actually succeed, it
is just strange that an American would take the world of Israeli's
over Americans who are coming forward to get the truth out. I know
what motivates them, but what motivates Mike "the Mole" Weeks?
Post by Mike Weeks
I can understand someone who was a victim working
very hard to find justice, but what motivates Mike "The Mole" Weeks to
spend so much of his time fighting those whose only goal is to find
justice and closure for themselves and their dead shipmates?
Gee, perhaps that's not really the agenda?
Can't answer the question can you. What does motivate Mike Weeks to
work so hard to "Prevent" a new investigation when it would not harm
Mike Weeks if they did, except to prove either that you have been
duped by the Israeli, or prove you are correct? Seems like you don't
believe the evidence would prove you correct eh?
Post by Mike Weeks
Are
you just a sorry son of a bitch who has no life, a deranged idiot who
latched on to this issue as you feel it gives your miserable life some
meaning?
ROTFLOL – what a sorry ass you are for being so totally clueless. But then
again, w/ such an ID that you use, one can understand how miserable your life
must be to post the nonsense that you do.
So, you have a problem with my name...probably like to know my real
identity? OK, it is Snidely Whiplash and I live in Frostbite Falls
Minnesota.... With foreign spies like yourself running around on the
web, one must be vewy vewy careful.

You still have not explained what motivates you Mike "The Mole".
What is it that keeps you working to prevent those who were actually
harmed from knowing the truth? We already know Cristol is an idiot
and a liar, what about you?
Post by Mike Weeks
So Mike, maybe you can enlighten us as to why you oppose so vehemently
a new investigation. Are you a spy or agent for a foreign government,
an agent working for the conspirators within our own government, a
sorry son of a bitch with no life, or a deranged Idiot?
ROTFLOL - looked in a mirror recently to see what an idiot looks like? Perhaps
we all should revisit some of your posts from the past which just deal with the
SDW ...
Amazing, you cannot explain what motivates you. We'll just have to
assume you are a spy or foreign agent.
Mike Weeks
2004-02-18 06:46:38 UTC
Permalink
Date: 2/17/2004 16:01 Pacific Standard Time
Post by Mike Weeks
Date: 2/13/2004 10:54 Pacific Standard Time
<...>
First off, their is no question that there was ONE investigation
conducted by the US Navy, which new evidence and testimony from those
actually involved in the original investigation indicates there was a
cover-up and conspiracy at the highest level to prevent the truth from
being known.
There's no such testimony and certainly no new evidence.
Ward Boston has signed an signed affidavit stating Johnson and
McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to conclude that the
attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence
to the contrary. His affidavit qualifies as testimony and evidence.
Nope, it doesn't. At best it's hearsay only and really just simply a story from
an 80-year retired officer. You can state there's a new story, or there's a
new tall tale if you like, but not evidence, and certainly not testimony.

http://libertyincident.com/boston-comments.htm
Post by Mike Weeks
In addition, as is the norm, there apparently is a complete failure to
understand the other investigations which have taken place over the years.
Please do elaborate on what those additional investigates were
investigating.
The most recent one was the claim by a number of vocal former Liberty crewmen
that the IDF attacked the ship knowing it be the USS Liberty ...
From my reading, they did not re-examine the USS
Liberty attack.
Please bone up on your reading ...
Please clarify, if you can, what each of these
investigations "investigated" or provide a link that provides that
information.
Start here:

http://libertyincident.com/documents.htm
Otherwise, we will continue to take the current
information and conclude they were bunk.
No "we" won't.
Post by Mike Weeks
Given this new testimony, the first thing that should
occur is to investigate and gather testimony under oath from those
involved and determine if in fact there was a cover-up.
ROTFLOL. This may come as a shock, but it ain't 1967 any longer.
This may be a shock, but there is no statute of limitations on murder
or conspiracy to commit murder.
This may come as an even bigger shock but there's no evidence that there was,
or is, a conspiracy to commit murder, or that there was any murder ...

A shock to the conspiracy loons is that by legal definition the actions taken
by IDF elements on 8 June 1967, however tragic, was taken by legal combatants.
And if a conspiracy did exist, that
case would also still be open.
What conspiracy loon? The one supposedly undertaken by now mostly dead
individuals? Of course, I suppose if you accept what Ward Boston has stated
the USG could bring him up on charges ...
Once again, Mike "the Mole" strikes
out with another dodge from the truth!
What truth are you babbling about?
Post by Mike Weeks
If the
evidence and testimony indicates that one may have occurred, a new
investigation into the attack upon Liberty should be conducted and
those involved in the cover-up exposed and brought to justice.
ROTFLOL - once again, it ain't 1967.
Once again, it doesn't matter.
See above. Oh, by legal definition, the legal status was concluded on 21 July
1967 for the IDF personal involved.
There is statute of limitations on
murder or conspiracy to cover up a murder.
See above.
But you are free to let
the issue drop and go on to what ever else you do besides try to cover
the crimes committed against those who served in the United States
Navy. Like spying, espionage and other traitorous activity you
engage in.
Oh, and the proof you have of such nonsense?
Post by Mike Weeks
You know, living one's life w/ one's head suck in the sand really ain't
healthy.
Either is having one's head stuck up the ass of the Israeli
government.
Which gov't? The gov't which concluded that the attack was the result of
"gross negligence"?? The gov't which stated: "It remains our best judgment
that the Israeli attack the USS Liberty was not made in malice toward the
United States and was a mistake." ??

You know, living in the real world would be a step up ...
Post by Mike Weeks
Secondly, why investigator wannabes like yourself spend so much effort
to assist in possibly continuing this conspiracy against the people of
the United States, is puzzling and disturbing. I can appreciate that
you have your own opinion, but to work so diligently to prevent a new
investigation with so much evidence that there was a possible cover-up
is very suspicious and would lead one to believe you are a traitor to
your own country.
ROTFLOL – what a loon. Ain't the net wonderful. Little ole' me,
preventing
Post by Mike Weeks
any *new* investigation ... Wow ...
I didn't give you that much credit. I said working to prevent a new
investigation.
Wow, and to have such perceived influence here on the net ... Wow.

Geez, what a loon.
You are way too incompetent to actually succeed,
Well clueless, *someone* must be ... you think it's those evil Jews ...???
BTW, that's a trick question.
it
is just strange that an American would take the world of Israeli's
over Americans who are coming forward to get the truth out.
You mean for example you don't like sworn testimony of Liberty crewmen? Or
conclusions by others who had the responsibility to determine such back some 36
years ago – WHEN IT MATTERED ??
I know
what motivates them, but what motivates Mike "the Mole" Weeks?
To get called names by net loons and bigots. <g>
Post by Mike Weeks
I can understand someone who was a victim working
very hard to find justice, but what motivates Mike "The Mole" Weeks to
spend so much of his time fighting those whose only goal is to find
justice and closure for themselves and their dead shipmates?
Gee, perhaps that's not really the agenda?
Can't answer the question can you.
Right ... to have such hatred and to prevent closure – it's really a sickness
on the part of those who don't care at all for the facts. Do look again in a
mirror.
What does motivate Mike Weeks to
work so hard to "Prevent" a new investigation when it would not harm
Mike Weeks if they did, except to prove either that you have been
duped by the Israeli, or prove you are correct? Seems like you don't
believe the evidence would prove you correct eh?
ROTFLOL – you mean duped by the US Navy, and the sworn testimony of Liberty
crewmen as only one example???

Once again, even as a loon, you must try to understand that in order to be
taken seriously you have to present something that's close to reasonable in
what you *think* took place. By continuing to shoot one's self in the foot, it
just continues to be the same old, tired song as first put forth by such
*outstanding* American organizations as the Liberty Lobby for example ...
Post by Mike Weeks
Are
you just a sorry son of a bitch who has no life, a deranged idiot who
latched on to this issue as you feel it gives your miserable life some
meaning?
ROTFLOL – what a sorry ass you are for being so totally clueless. But then
again, w/ such an ID that you use, one can understand how miserable your
life
Post by Mike Weeks
must be to post the nonsense that you do.
So, you have a problem with my name...probably like to know my real
identity? OK, it is Snidely Whiplash and I live in Frostbite Falls
Minnesota....
Don't give a rats ass about your name. It means nothing. Read again what was
posted clueless.
With foreign spies like yourself running around on the
web, one must be vewy vewy careful.
Ah yes, spoken like a true net loon. Nice going.
You still have not explained what motivates you Mike "The Mole".
What is it that keeps you working to prevent those who were actually
harmed from knowing the truth?
Ah, as stated in a movie: "You can't accept the truth" Or words to that effect.
The truth as displayed by the continuing evidence which has been made
available -- it hasn't changed the conclusion from 1967.

Of course no matter what might be the evidence, some will never accept the
facts. So be it. It's their own little world they've created. Hope you're
comfortable in it.
We already know Cristol is an idiot
and a liar, what about you?
It's known you don't speak for anyone but your sorry self.
Post by Mike Weeks
So Mike, maybe you can enlighten us as to why you oppose so vehemently
a new investigation. Are you a spy or agent for a foreign government,
an agent working for the conspirators within our own government, a
sorry son of a bitch with no life, or a deranged Idiot?
ROTFLOL - looked in a mirror recently to see what an idiot looks like?
Perhaps
Post by Mike Weeks
we all should revisit some of your posts from the past which just deal with
the
Post by Mike Weeks
SDW ...
Amazing, you cannot explain what motivates you. We'll just have to
assume you are a spy or foreign agent.
That'll do for the idiot you've shown yourself to be. Be sure to sleep in a
different bed each night ...
MW
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"All actions in war will be based on incomplete, inaccurate, or even
contradictory information." -- HQUSMC, Warfighting(MCDP-1)

montgomery_scott
2004-02-15 19:18:09 UTC
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MIKE WEEKS, USS LIBERTY USS LIBERTY MURDERS ISRAEL AHRON JAY CRISTOL
A. JAY CRISTOL GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL GOI IDF THE LIBERTY INCIDENT
ASSAULT ON THE LIBERTY JIM ENNES JAMES ENNES JAMES A. ENNES JOE
MEADORS WAR CRIME Roberta Hatch Mike Weeks Stan Engel SHIPFIXR
little_people RJ Goldamn DN 30mm with proximity fusing 30mm cannon
with
proximity fusing 30mm cannon shell with proximity fusing
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl70123069d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=1e6ea40d.0310150943.6c7fc8e4%40posting.google.com
"No idea, but a good point. Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to
tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys",
since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when
called upon his own "qualifications"."
Bwaaaaahaaa! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!!
C'mon mikey... tell an old scot your qualifications, laddie!
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS AND WOUNDED MORE THAN
HUNDRED. THEY MACHINEGUNNED THOSE WHO TRIED TO FLEE IN LIFE BOATS.
ISRAEL MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CRIME AGAINST UNITED
STATES!
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to conclude
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been. But the fact that
Israel attacked the USS Liberty with UNMARKED boats and planes, and jammed
American emergency frequencies so that the ship could not call for help,
proves beyond all doubt that the attack was intentional, and the intended
goal to sink the ship and blame Egypt for it.
More crumbs from yet another conspiracy cockroach.
But then laddie, the Director of the CIA at the time of the attack and
the NSA officials involved with the USS Liberty's mission have all
said the attack was "murder" of people the GOI and IDF knew were
Americans...

Y'canna' really throw oot the "conspiaracy nut" motif in the presence
of those statements by people in a position to know... can y'laddie?

Then we've got the ..ahem.."credibility" issues of ...ahem... "naval
aviator" Mike Weeks and...ahem "jet fighter pilot", A Jay Cristol

Would you like to take up the issues that Mike Weeks, SHIPFIXR,
litte_people, Roberta Hatch and others have STEPPED UP TO CHALLENGE
and SUBSEQUENTLY fled from Sheldon Lieberman?


Was the "30mm with proximity fusing" lie merely a "minor technical
mistake"???

..we can pick up the discussion right from where SHIPFIXR fled,
laddie?

I didna' think so, m'wee bairn...

..so we have a wee coward named Sheldon trying to avoid discussion of
"murder" by calling another a "conspiracy nut" and then...

..Sheldon running away from his own words like Roberta Hatch, Mike
Weeks, Stan Engel,SHIPFIXR, little_people, RJ Goldamn before him...

Bwaaahaaa! LOL! ROTFLMAO!!!
Bernardz
2004-02-11 11:57:05 UTC
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Post by amigocabal
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to conclude
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been.
Alex, the mind just boggles with your stupidity.
--
A department of the government runs itself. In that it is run for its
employees benefit first.


Observations of Bernard - No 43
amigocabal
2004-02-12 00:57:08 UTC
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Post by amigocabal
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to conclude
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been.
Just like in the case of lebanon, Sharon and his Jew despots have murdered
25,000 people in the poray into lebanon. Did US censure their actions? Of
course not!
Bernardz
2004-02-12 13:35:48 UTC
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Post by amigocabal
Post by amigocabal
LBJ would not have needed to order the official investigation to
conclude
Post by amigocabal
the attack was accidental if indeed it actually had been.
Just like in the case of lebanon, Sharon and his Jew despots have murdered
25,000 people in the poray into lebanon. Did US censure their actions? Of
course not!
You idiot it was the Lebanese civil war and those people died before
Israel went into Lebanon.
--
A department of the government runs itself. In that it is run for its
employees benefit first.


Observations of Bernard - No 43
glugg
2004-02-14 17:59:15 UTC
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Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS
It was an accident. On behalf of all Americans and you I hereby
forgive Israel for this accident.
Thank you. Thanks everybody. Happy president's day.
Gary L. Burnore
2004-02-14 18:21:55 UTC
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Post by glugg
Post by amigocabal
ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS
It was an accident.
So was the holicost.
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2004-02-14 20:34:00 UTC
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Idiot moron can't even spell.
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ISRAELI NAZI THUGS ATTACKED AND MURDERED 37 US SAILORS
It was an accident.
So was the holicost.
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